Notizen zu dieser Person
Per Rod's Website:
(Anna Maria Wagner (daughter of Hans Jacob Wagner and Anna BarbaraLensin)14. She married Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald on 27 September 1768in Demberg, Germany14, son of Johann Georg Schwald and Maria Lenzin.
More About Anna Maria Wagner and Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald:
Marriage: 27 September 1768, Demberg, Germany.
Children of Anna Maria Wagner and Johann "Hans" Georg Schwald are:
Johann Georg Schwald, b. 30 June 1769, Fischenberg, Germany.
Johann Jacob Schwald, b. 16 June 1770, Fischenberg, Germany.
+Friedrich "Fritz or Friz" Schwald, b. 13 September 1772, Fischenberg,Germany, d. 19 December 1839.)
Hans Jacob Wagner. He married Anna Barbara Lensin.
Notes for Hans Jacob Wagner:
Occupation was a Nagler (a Blacksmith who made nails)
Children of Hans Jacob Wagner and Anna Barbara Lensin are:
+Anna Maria Wagner
Corrected:
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Subject: Anna Maria Wagner
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:01:04 -0500
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As Fred Wehrle states, the mother of Anna Maria Wagner (Johann GeorgSchwald's wife) was Barbara Osswaldin. She was a daughter of SimonOsswald of Kaltenbach. Hans Jacob Wagner of Malsburg (spelled Mahlsburg)and Barbara Osswaldin were married on June 16, 1744, probably inKaltenbach, since Malsburg has no church. Fred emphatically states thatJohann Jakob Wagner was a farmer, not a Nagler. I wonder where he pickedup this information. On the marriage record of Johann George Schwald andAnna Maria Wagner in 1764, it very clearly states Hans Jacob Wagner was aNagler. I found no mention that he was a farmer.
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:42:03 +0200
falsch: Johann Jakob Wagner oo Anna Barbara Lensin
richtig: Johann Jakob Wagner oo 16.06.1744 Vogelbach Barbara Osswald !!
er war nicht Nagler, sondern Bauer in Malsburg und Vogt derVogtei
Vogelbach
Per Fred Wehrle's list 3~12.wps
0 0 Wagner, Johann Jacob, Vogt<7951>
* : 11 Okt 1717 Malsburg + : 31 Jul 1802 Malsburg
V: Wagner, Johannes M: Hafner, Verena
oo: 1) 16 Jun 1744 Vogelbach«2059»
0 0 Oßwald, Barbara,<5462>
* : 1725 Kaltenbachuvw + : 5 Mar 1785 Malsburg
V: Oßwald Simon M: Wagner, Anna
KINDER:
1. Wagner, Anna Maria, * 27 Feb1745+ 1799 <7989>
2. Wagner, Johannes, * 21 Feb1746+ 1748 <7990>
3. Wagner, Verena, * 9 Apr1747+ 1775 <7991>
4. Wagner, Barbara, * 28 Feb1749+ 1750 <7992>
5. Wagner, Simon, * 18 Sep1750+ 1795 <7993>
6. Wagner, Johann Jacob, Vogt * 4 Feb1753+ 1825 <7994>
7. Wagner, Kunigunde, * 16 Sep1758+ 1775 <7995>
8. Wagner, Friedrich, Gerichter * 27 Dez1766+ 1838 <7996>
Subject: Re: Anna Maria Wagner
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:59:26 -0500
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It may well be that Hans Jacob and Barbara were married in Vogelbach, butthe record of their marriage does not so state. Both Vogelbach andKaltenbach have churches, and, since Hans Jacob was from Kaltenbach, Ifelt that the odds favored the Kaltenbach church. Keep in mind that thelittle church in Vogelbach kept the vital records of both churches, andit may well be that Fred is confusing the place of recording with theplace where the ceremony was performed. But surely, Fred must be wellfamiliar with the fact that the Vogelbach church was the custodian of therecords for both churches.
Neither does the marriage record reveal that Hans Jacob was a Vogt, whichmakes me wonder all the more what set of records Fred is working with.
A Vogt is somewhat like a Mayor. A Vogtei is something like anadministrative office. The little village of Vogelbach had a stature outof proportion to its size. In addition to the Vogelbach and Kaltenbachchurches, Vogelbach was the custodian of the records also for the Marzellchurch until the latter part of the 18th century, when Marzell startedkeeping its own records. I have a theory for the elevated position ofVogelbach. The Sausenburg Casthe is across a valley from Vogelbach and,in fact, the ruins can be seen from Vogelbach to this day. I believethat, because of its proximity to the castle, it was assigned the Vogteicenturies ago and, with it, the responibility for keeping the vitalrecords.
Subject: Anna Maria Wagner
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 06:01:04 -0500
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As Fred Wehrle states, the mother of Anna Maria Wagner (Johann GeorgSchwald's wife) was Barbara Osswaldin. She was a daughter of SimonOsswald of Kaltenbach. Hans Jacob Wagner of Malsburg (spelled Mahlsburg)and Barbara Osswaldin were married on June 16, 1744, probably inKaltenbach, since Malsburg has no church. Fred emphatically states thatJohann Jakob Wagner was a farmer, not a Nagler. I wonder where he pickedup this information. On the marriage record of Johann George Schwald andAnna Maria Wagner in 1764, it very clearly states Hans Jacob Wagner was aNagler. I found no mention that he was a farmer.
Roderick
Schwald
