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See Fritz father's notes for source of birth/death dates
Per LDS files:
Friz SCHWALD
Sex: M
Marriage(s):
Spouse: Anna Barbara HOMBERGER
Marriage: 17 Feb 1801
Evangelisch, Wies, Loerrach, Baden
Dates from Fred Wehrle
David Gudeman's notes:
The foregoing information was obtained from Mormon Micro-films 1189731,1189732, and 1189733.
It is true that you and Dieter Scfwald of Malsburg are related. However,information that Hanno sent me failed to make the connection. Dieter'slineage went back 4 generations and then it hit a snag by omittinggenerations # 5 and #6 and then jumping to generation #7. The confusionmay have been caused by the fact that Gustav Schwald of generation #4 wasillegitimate and was born as Gustav Homberger, not as Gustav Schwald. Inthe event that this confusion has not already been clarified, I submitthe following:
#4 Generation: Gustav Schwald (born as Gustav Homberger) was born in Wieson February 15, 1861, to Maria Barbara Homberger, a single woman. Gustavmarried Carolina Spohn in Wies on May 21, 1885. They had a son, Wilhelm,born in Wies on January 7, 1887. Carolina was born in Wies on October 3,1860, to Wilhelm Spohn and Maria Katharina Grässlin.
#5 Generation: Johann Georg Schwald was born in Wies on July 19, 1836, toFriedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Maria Flatt. Johann Georg marriedMaria Barbara Homberger in Wies on November 14, 1861. They had a son,Gustav, on February 15, 1861, out of wedlock. Maria Barbara was born inWies on November 3, 1837, to Georg Friedrich Homberger and Anna MariaSchlageter(?).
#6 Generation: Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald was born in Fischenberg onDecember 1, 1809, to Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna BarbaraHomberger. Friedrich married Anna Maria Flatt in Wies on September 9,1833. They had a son, Johann Georg, in Wies on July 19, 1836. Anna MariaFlatt was a widow of Johann Lenzin of Wies, who died on August 16, 1831.
#7 Generation: Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald was born in Fischenberg onSeptember 13, 1772, to Johann Georg Schwald and Anna Maria Wagner.Friedrich married Anna Barbara Homberger in Wies on February 17, 1801.They had a son, Friedrich,. in Fischenberg on December 1, 1809.
This means that Friedrich (Fritz) Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger arethe common ancestors of you and Dieter.
As it turns out, there were three missing generations rather than two, asstated in Hanno's E-mail.
Subject: Re: Schwald lineage
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 08:07:50 -0500
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400
It is true that Friedrich Schwald and Anna Barbara Homberger had two
children before they were married, as is shown on Hanno's web-site.
1, Johann Friedrich Schwald, born in Wies on March 4, 1798. (The fatherwas
shown as Friedrich.)
2. Anna Barbara Schwald, born in Wies on May 4, 1800. (The father wasshown
as Friz.)
You will notice that they were both born with the Schwald name, quiteunusal
for a child who was born out of wedlock to be given the name of the father
rather the mother. It is obvious that it was no secret who the father was,
and Friedrich and Anna Barbara probably had full intentions of marrying
later. I find it interesting that the two children born before themarriage
were born in Wies, the home of Anna Barbara, whereas the eight childrenborn
after the marriage were born in Fischenberg, the home of Friedrich.
(Johannes (1822) was born in Fischenberg, not in Wies as shown on Hanno's
website.) I missed these two children the first time, probably because it
did not occur to me to check for births before the marriage.
It is curious that Hanno lists the two children born before the marriage,
and the first child born after the marriage, and the last child born; but
fails to show the six children born between 1802 and 1822.
It is true that a Frieddich Schwald, a widower, married a Barbara
Dörflingerin in 1828, as shown on Hanno's website. But this Friedrich was
not the Friedrich who was married to Anna Barbara Homberger, yourancestor.
Anna Barbara did not die until February 3, 1852 in Fischenberg.
Hanno lists over 16,000 names on his web site, and I wonder where he picks
up all this information. He is causing a lot of confusion and damage
because, it appears to me, he is more interested in quantity rather than
quality.
Roderick
Schwald
