FRED Friedrich August Ferdinand Charles POSTIER

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The third child of Ferdinand and Ernestina was Friedrich Charles Postier

who was born on 8/15/1887 at 99 Abram St. in Cleveland. (SS#

272-10-5503). His birth certificate showed that his father was

Ferdinand, age 28, born Germany, and his mother was Irrene, age 26, born

Germany.

Fourth Reformed Church book shows a familienbuch for this family. It

states that Friedrich August Ferdinand Postier was born on 8/15/1887,

baptized on 11/6/1887, and confirmed on 3/31/1901.

The individual baptism record shows that Friedrich August Carl Postier

was born 8/15/1887 to Ferdinand Postier and Ernestine Radke, and baptized

on 11/6/1887. Baptismal sponsors were: Carl Meincke, Ferdinand Meincke,

and Amalia Kossin.

Fred first married a girl named Hattie Zornow on 6/29/1907 at Zion

Church, Rev. Theophilis Leonhardt presiding. Marriage record shows that

Fred was 20 years old, 2533 Trowbridge Ave., born Cleveland to Ferd

Postier and Ernestine Ratke. Hattie was 20 years old, 2205 View Rd.,

born Cleveland to Charles Zornow and Bertha Hauth. Fred and Hattie had a

son, David.

In 1909 in a court case, Fred is not able to be located in Cleveland,

Ohio.

1910 Census shows that Fred was living with his parents, 22 years old,

and divorced.

Fred Postier divorced Hattie on 6/26/1911, records from Cuyahoga County

Common Pleas Court. Custody of David was awarded to Hattie. Fred did

not raise David.

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This is where things become confusing. Fred Postier may have married

Susan Schilchen, possibly in Toledo, Ohio, as Fred was living there in

1919, when his mother died (from Probate records). I have looked for a

marriage certificate in Toledo, but did not find one. Perhaps they were

never married though. Susan was born on 5/11/1893 in Hungary. To

clarify where I am going here, I believe that Charles Frank Edwards and

Fred Postier were the same person and that there was never a man named

Charles Frank Edwards, first husband of Susan Schilchen, and I will

explain why as we go along.

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Birth records for two boys later called Jerome Postier and Vernon Edwards

show the following:

Birth certificate states: Charles Frank Edwards was born at 915 N. Erie

Street, Toledo, Lucas County, Ohio on January 30, 1914. His father was

Charles Frank Edwards, 915 N. Erie St., age 26, born Akron, Ohio, a

motorman and Susan Myers, 915 N. Erie St., age 20, born Strausburg,

Germany. (Note: Mother's name should be Susan Schilchen, and she should

be born in Hungary.) (This is actually Jerome's birth record even though

the name is not the same.)

Death certificate shows: Jerome Postier died on February 8, 1965 at the

Veterans Administration Hospital in Brecksville, Ohio (length of stay was

163 days). His usual address was 3709 W. 44th St., Cleveland, Ohio. He

was widowed, born January 30, 1914 in Ohio, and was usually a boxmaker.

His parents were listed as Fred Postier and Susan Schultzen. He was in

WWII and his social security number was 272-10-2504. He died of lobar

pneumonia and was buried on February 11, 1965 at Riverside Cemetery,

Cleveland, Ohio. The informant was V.A. Records.

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Birth certificate shows: Fred Willard Edwards was born at 523 Locust

Street, Toledo, Ohio, on March 12, 1916 to Charles Frank Edwards,

residence Toledo, Ohio, age 29, born Akron Ohio, a motorman, and Susan

Schilchen, residence Toledo, Ohio, age 23, born Germany. Number of

children born and living is 2. (Note: Susan should be listed as born in

Hungary) (This is really Vernon who died in the fire, even though the

name is not the same.)

Death certificate shows: Vernon Edwards died on October 2, 1920 at St.

Johns Hospital. He was born March 12, 1916 and was 4 years, 6 months, 20

days old, born in Toledo, Ohio to Charles Edwards born in Cleveland, Ohio

and Susan Schilchen born in Hartfield, Germany. Vernon's usual address

was 7020 Lorain Ave., Cleveland, Ohio. He died of asphyxiation suffered

by smoke of fire in room. He was buried at Brooklyn Hts. Cemetery on

October 5, 1920. The informant was Charles Edwards, 7020 Lorain Ave.

On February 27, 1925, in the Probate Court of Cuyahoga County, Ohio,

there was filed Application for Letters of Administration in the Estate

of Vernon Postier, deceased. It reads: The undersigned hereby makes

application to be appointed as administratix of the estate of Vernon

Postier, late of the city of Cleveland, in said county, deceased, and on

oath states that said Vernon Postier died on or about the 2nd day of

October, 1920, intestate, leaving no widow and the following persons,

next of kin:

Susan Postier, mother, age 32, 3709 West 44th St.

Charles Postier, father, age 37, 3709 West 44th St.

Jerome Postier, brother, age 11, 3709 West 44th St.

Applicant further states that there is not to her knowledge any last will

and testament of said decendent in existence. That the whole personal

estate of the decedent consists of an action for wrongful death, the

probably value of which will not exceed $100. The real estate of said

decedent consists of nothing. Signed by Susan Postier, 3709 W. 44th St.

The undersigned, the widow-husband and heirs at law of said Vernon

Postier hereby decline to accept the trust of administering upon his

estate, and suggest the appointment of Susan Postier as administratix.

Signed Charles Postier (NOTE: it was originally signed Frederick

Postier, but the Frederick was erased and Charles was written over it.

Susan Postier was appointed administrator and bond of $100 was given with

Jacob Schilchen (1671 Roosevelt Avenue - her father), and Charles F.

Wilke (4361 Irea Avenue).

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NOW, to explain my theory.

1. Familienregister shows him as Friedrich August Ferdinand Postier.

2. Fred was baptized Friedrich August Carl Postier.

3. Fred Postier was always known as Fred Postier and when he died he was

Fred C. Postier.

4. Jerome's death certificate lists his father as Fred Postier.

5. Vernon's death certificate lists his father as Charles Edwards born

in CLEVELAND (where Fred Postier was born), not Akron as the birth

certificates for Jerome and Vernon showed.

6. The informant on Vernon's death certificate was Charles Edwards, 7020

Lorain Ave. However, it is known that Fred and Susan went out for the

evening and left the children home alone when Vernon was killed. It is

unlikely that a Charles Frank Edwards (Susan's supposed first husband)

would be living in the same house as Fred Postier and Susan Schilchen

when Vernon was killed.

7. Estate papers for Vernon POSTIER (not Edwards), show that his father

was Charles POSTIER (not Edwards). Also, it is signed CHARLES POSTIER

(Frederick was erased and changed to Charles)!

8. In the will of Ferdinand Postier, (father of Fred), he left his

estate without restriction to his sons, John and Paul, but Fred's portion

was placed in trust with William F. Kees to manage Fred's portion. It

appears that Ferdinand did not trust Fred to handle his own portion of

Ferdinand's estate, and that Fred was not a very responsible person, as

viewed by Ferdinand. Also, if Fred were to die, his portion of

Ferdinand's estate was to go to his brothers, John and Paul, unless Fred

Postier should leave a family. This will was dated February 19, 1919,

just 12 days after Ernestine died. At this time, Fred was divorced from

Hattie Zornow and Fred's son David was still alive. Also at the time of

this will, Jerome and Vernon were already born, and in 1919, Fred was

living in Toledo. Perhaps Ferdinand did NOT know that Fred had two sons

with Susan Schilchen.

9. It is very odd that the names of Jerome and Vernon were not their

original names from their birth certificates.

10. It is also very odd that Vernon Postier is buried in the Postier

plot at Brooklyn Hts. Cemetery if Fred were not his father.

11. The 1930 census shows that Fred married at the age of 25, so that

would be 1912. Susan married at the age of 21, so that would be 1914.

So, it appears that Fred and Susan first married each other sometime

between 1912 and 1914, and that would mean that Fred was the father of

both Jerome and Vernon.

SO, in closing on this issue, it could be that there was really a Charles

Frank EDWARDS, father of Jerome and Vernon, but that seems unlikely.

Unless he was a dastardly fellow and Fred and Susan were trying to avoid

this Charles Frank Edwards and changing names of the children. But, it is

odd as stated in #6 above that Charles Frank Edwards would be living with

Fred Postier and Susan when Vernon died. However, as seen in the city

directories below, in 1914 and 1916, when Jerome and Vernon were born,

Fred Postier is shown as living at 3325 Trowbridge with his parents, so

it could be that Susan Schilchen was in Toledo, married to Charles Frank

Edwards and giving birth to Jerome and Vernon. I will leave this open to

speculation, but I have been unable to find any further information to

clarify the issue.

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DEED dated Nov. 5, 1926:

Ferdinand Postier sells to Fred C. and Susan Postier, Sublot 30 in P.W.

Wagners subdivision, original Brooklyn Twp. Lot 55. 36 foot frontage on

the east side of W. 44th.

1930 Census, 3705 W. 44th, ED18-124, sheet 24A, line 36

Fred C. Postier, head, owns home, $2,500, age 43, married age 25, born

OH, parents born Germany, woodworker in box factory.

Susan, wife, age 37, married age 21, born OH, parents born Germany

Jerome, son, age 16, born OH, parents born OH, errand boy for blue print

shop.

1951 City Directory shows that Fred C. Postier and wife Susan were living

at 3709 W. 44th.

March 29, 1954: Quit Claim Deed from Fred C. Postier to his wife Susan

Postier for the property at 3709 W. 44th.

April 6, 1964, Fred C. Postier and his wife Susan Postier purchase the

house at 1378 W. 58th St. from Anna Popa, executor of the estate of

Pauline Chiusdea for $8,000.

August 19, 1964: Warrantee Deed for the house at 3709 W. 44th. Susan

Postier deeds to the State of Ohio. "Susan Postier, married to Fred C.

Postier, who relinquishes and releases to Grantee all right, interest and

expectancy of dower for $7,600 paid by the State of Ohio".

Fred was a woodworker. During most of Fred's life, he was a woodworker.

When he retired he was a woodworker for American Box Company. Fred was

a real joker and jovial person as remembered by Gertrude Postier.

Fred became ill in March of 1969 and died July 1, 1969. Death cert.

states that Fred C. Postier died on July 1, 1969, age 81, born Aug. 15,

1887 in Cleveland. Died at Holy Family Cancer Home in Parma, Ohio. He

was married at the time of his death to Susan Schilchen. He was a

retired Woodworker for American Box Company and his residence was 1378 W.

58th St. His parents were Ferdinand Postier and Ernestine Rosky. The

informant was Susan Postier, his wife, 1378 W. 58th St., Cleveland, OH

44102. He died of Cancer of the Urinary bladder and was buried on July

5, 1969 at Brooklyn Hts. Cemetery. He is buried along side of his

mother, Ernestina in Grave #2, situated as the third space from the

Northeast corner of Lot 642 in the Hawthorne Section. Fred was the last

surviving son of Ferdinand and Ernestine.

His obituary states: Fred C. Postier, husband of Susan (nee Schilchen)

father of the late Jerome. Tuesday, late residence, 1378 W. 58th St.

Funeral services Saturday, July 5, at Nickels Funeral Home, 14500 Madison

Ave.

Susan was the last living member of the Fred Postier line. After Fred's

death in 1969, Susan moved to Azusa California, to be with her sister,

Mrs. Elizabeth Bernard. Susan died on 11/2/1976 in Azusa, Los Angeles

County, 91702. She is buried at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Covina, CA.

Sources: DOB from naturalization papers of father. DOB and DOD from

death cert. at Cleveland Vital Statistics. Marriage cert. at Cuyahoga

County archive. Divorce records at Cuyahoga County Probate court.

POSTIER CITY DIRECTORIES IN CLEVELAND, OHIO

1886-87 Ferdinand, Labor, bds. 93 Milton

1887-88 Ferdinand, Labor, 97 Abram

1888-89 Ferdinand, Labor, 74 Trowbridge BKLYN

1890-91 Ferdinand, Labor, 74 Trowbridge

1891-92 Ferdinand, Teamster, 70 Trowbridge

1892-93 Ferdinand, Driver, 70 Trowbridge

1893-94 Ferdinand, Labor, 70 Trowbridge

1895-96 Ferdinand, Labor, 183 Trowbridge

1896-97 Ferdinand, Teamster, 183 Trowbridge

1897-98 Ferdinand, Measurer, 183 Trowbridge

1899-00 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 183 Trowbridge

John F.W., Machinist, 183 Trowbridge

1900-01 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 183 Trowbridge

John W., Labor, 183 Trowbridge

1902-03 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 183 Trowbridge

John F.W., Labor, 183 Trowbridge

1904-05 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 183 Trowbridge

John, Labor, 183 Trowbridge

Paul, Machinist, 183 Trowbridge

1909-10 Ferdinand, Labor, 3325 Trowbridge

1911-12 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3325 Trowbridge

Fred Jr., Sawyer, 3325 Trowbridge

1913-14 Fred, Foreman, 3325 Trowbridge

Fred, Sawyer, 3325 Trowbridge

1916-19 NO CHARLES EDWARDS

1915-16 Ferdinand, Foreman, 3325 Trowbridge

Fred Jr., Sawyer, 3325 Trowbridge

Philip, Tallyman, 3325 Trowbridge

1917-18 Ferdinand, Foreman, 3325 Trowbridge

Fred Jr., Sawyer, 3325 Trowbridge

Philip, Fioler, 3325 Trowbridge

1919 Ferdinand, 4387 W. 52

Fred, Toledo, Ohio

1921 Ferdinand, Tallyman, Bds. 4387 W. 52

Fred C. Jr., Woodworker, 6025 Pear

1922 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Fred C. Jr., Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1923 Ferdinand, Labor, 3709 W. 44

Fred C. Jr., Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1924 Charles F. (Fred), Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

Fred C., Foreman/Amer. Box, 3709 W. 44

1925 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Charles F. (Fred), Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1926 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Fred Jr., Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1927 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Fred C., Laborer, 3709 W. 44

1928 Ferdinand,Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Fred Jr., Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1929 Fred Jr. (Susan), Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

Ferdinand, 3709 W. 44

1930 Charles F. (Susan), Laborer, 3709 W. 44

Fred, 3709 W. 44

1931 Ferdinand, Tallyman, 3709 W. 44

Fred (Susan), Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

1932 Ferdinand, 3709 W. 44

Fred, 3709 W. 44

Jerome, 3709 W. 44

1934 Fred Jr., 3709 W. 44

1935 Fred (Susan), Woodworker, 3709 W. 44

Jerome, 3709 W. 44

1951-63 Fred, Sue, Jerome, 3709 W. 44

1964 Fred Sue Jerome, Retired, 3709 W. 44

1965-66 Fred & Sue, Retired, 1378 W. 58

1968-69 Fred & Sue, Retired, 1378 W. 58

1970-71 Susan, Widow Fred/ Retired, 1378 W. 58

1972 Susan, Widow Fred, 1378 W. 58

1974 Susan, 1378 W. 58

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